Comments on: What solar installers need to know about rapid shutdown https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2020/01/what-solar-installers-need-to-know-rapid-shutdown/ Covering the world of solar power technology, development and installation. Fri, 02 Sep 2022 19:58:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.2 By: Mike Johnson https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2020/01/what-solar-installers-need-to-know-rapid-shutdown/#comment-134951 Fri, 02 Sep 2022 19:58:06 +0000 https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/?p=88597#comment-134951 In reply to Tom O’Connor.

Indeed.
Is there a high likelihood that fire-fighters will have to climb on your (burning) roof?
No.
Is there any requirement to shut down power to <80V for the rest of the house?
No.
Is the danger of unintentionally grabbing hold of any particular combination of hazardous leads from the solar panels high?
No.
Is the regulation retro-active?
No.
Will fire-fighters encounter solar installations that do NOT have this feature?
Yes.
So don't fire-fighters have to assume there's no shut down?
Yes.
Won't firefighters treat the array as if it is energized anyway?
Yes.

Conclusion: This is either the nanny state legislating in an area where it really doesn't have a damned clue (sort of like Kalifornia's bid to convert to electric vehicles, even as their electric grid cannot even sustain customers WITHOUT the additional drain of EVs), or it's an attempt to drive up the cost of solar energy. Or both.

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By: Curious https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2020/01/what-solar-installers-need-to-know-rapid-shutdown/#comment-123545 Sun, 09 Jan 2022 16:43:16 +0000 https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/?p=88597#comment-123545 In reply to Tom O’Connor.

I don’t see how using contactors would comply. Doesn’t the rapid shut down device system have to cut power to the PV array in the event of a short anywhere in the PV system? You mentioned you were triggering them with grid power correct?

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By: Tom O'Connor https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2020/01/what-solar-installers-need-to-know-rapid-shutdown/#comment-108689 Tue, 22 Jun 2021 02:38:46 +0000 https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/?p=88597#comment-108689 In reply to Kelly Pickerel.

That’s interesting. Makes one wonder if rapid shutdown requirements might be a solution to a fictitious problem–a clever political attempt by entrenched energy interests to impede a rapidly-growing solar industry in the noble name of protecting first responders.

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By: Tom O'Connor https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2020/01/what-solar-installers-need-to-know-rapid-shutdown/#comment-108688 Tue, 22 Jun 2021 02:27:23 +0000 https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/?p=88597#comment-108688 In reply to Pete Baker.

Yes, it should be acceptable. I’ve done exactly that on a system (with the contactors inside the attic), and my particular AHJ was fine with it.
However, I suspect that future code versions could close this window of opportunity.

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By: Pete Baker https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2020/01/what-solar-installers-need-to-know-rapid-shutdown/#comment-108541 Sat, 19 Jun 2021 00:20:44 +0000 https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/?p=88597#comment-108541 Would using separately powered Normally open held closed contactors for each DC string closely located to the panels on a roof mounted system that open up upon loss of grid power or initiation of a Rapid shutdown be acceptable to satisfy NEC 690?

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By: Carolyn Humphreys https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2020/01/what-solar-installers-need-to-know-rapid-shutdown/#comment-100813 Thu, 21 Jan 2021 17:42:12 +0000 https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/?p=88597#comment-100813 Hi Jeff, Thanks for the super helpful explanation above. Another RSD option is SolarEdge’s solution that commercially uses a 2:1 optimizer with a simplified and inexpensive inverter (that’s only one optimizer per pair of modules). With a 25 year warranty, and because optimizers are roughly 70% of the system coast, you can also get significant added energy production, for a comparable, or often lower price, than a other technology. We provide the added energy production by controlling each pair of modules with a buck/boost feature resulting in a fixed string voltage of only 850 volts, and eliminating the module mismatch of older technologies that lose power as every module in a series string tracks to the lowest producing module, and ages at increasingly different rates. And hey, we also have a free design tool, free 25 year monitoring and module level data that updates every 5 minutes. SolarEdge’s technology has been the safest, with optimizers that shut down to one volt safe DC as soon as they lose a signal from the inverter or detect an fault. Asset managers and O&M folks also love being able to see the health and performance of their modules, and track installation & module issues with ease… right from their comfy office chair.

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By: Que https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2020/01/what-solar-installers-need-to-know-rapid-shutdown/#comment-96567 Tue, 10 Nov 2020 04:03:09 +0000 https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/?p=88597#comment-96567 Hi,

I just want to clarify on the rapid shutdown. The law states that voltage must be less than 80V within 30S. What should be the specific voltage as a basis. If the module’s open circuit voltage or module’s operating voltage?

Thanks,
Que

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By: Kelly Pickerel https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2020/01/what-solar-installers-need-to-know-rapid-shutdown/#comment-95253 Wed, 14 Oct 2020 12:16:49 +0000 https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/?p=88597#comment-95253 In reply to Vince.

No, I don’t believe so. The point of a rapid shutdown device is to cut electricity to the solar panels, in case the panels are in a dangerous situation.

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By: Vince https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2020/01/what-solar-installers-need-to-know-rapid-shutdown/#comment-95225 Tue, 13 Oct 2020 21:03:06 +0000 https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/?p=88597#comment-95225 In reply to Kelly Pickerel.

If the ground mount solar system has the inverter inside the residence, does NEC 17 require the system to have RSD?

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By: Kelly Pickerel https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2020/01/what-solar-installers-need-to-know-rapid-shutdown/#comment-93632 Tue, 15 Sep 2020 12:13:10 +0000 https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/?p=88597#comment-93632 In reply to Carolyn Humphreys.

There are many MLPEs that fit rapid shutdown requirements. We did not provide an entire list.

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By: Carolyn Humphreys https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2020/01/what-solar-installers-need-to-know-rapid-shutdown/#comment-93607 Tue, 15 Sep 2020 04:16:25 +0000 https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/?p=88597#comment-93607 The SolarEdge P860 optimizer, paired with any of their 3 phase inverters, meets NEC 2017 code, always. It also produces more energy because it eliminated module mismatch for the life of the system. Because string lengths are much longer, BOS is decreased. It’s the safest, most cost effective solution, from a public, profitable, bankable company. How is that SolarEdge isn’t mentioned in a NEC 2017 code article?

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By: Kelly Pickerel https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2020/01/what-solar-installers-need-to-know-rapid-shutdown/#comment-87545 Mon, 22 Jun 2020 11:19:21 +0000 https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/?p=88597#comment-87545 In reply to Ian Pettet.

This is only in the United States

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By: Ian Pettet https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2020/01/what-solar-installers-need-to-know-rapid-shutdown/#comment-87435 Sat, 20 Jun 2020 12:51:05 +0000 https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/?p=88597#comment-87435 How far & wide is this safety shutdown procedure being adopted like World Wide. I’m in Australia and this has not come to my attention in study training classes. As an Electrician for 46 years, I’m interested to know that the suppression of the energy level has become a distinct liability to the 1st responder tribe.

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By: Ed Wilson https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2020/01/what-solar-installers-need-to-know-rapid-shutdown/#comment-81692 Mon, 17 Feb 2020 19:14:14 +0000 https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/?p=88597#comment-81692 Kelsey, great article!

I would strongly suggest taking a look at DCSunVolt.com for all of your NEC compliance needs. All UL listed products with quick turnaround times. 1500V capacity with tons of customizable options. Industry wide compatibility while meeting top quality standards.

DCsunvolt.com

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By: John Shiels https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/2020/01/what-solar-installers-need-to-know-rapid-shutdown/#comment-81000 Mon, 03 Feb 2020 00:48:56 +0000 https://www.solarpowerworldonline.com/?p=88597#comment-81000 Thus far, many systems are probably not compliant because project developers, in their drive to minimize costs, found ways around “the requirement”. Therefore, the hazard exists and compliance should be something that they should have to address regardless of when the systems were installed. How about that, fast money?

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